Now that you made Ann Coulter in your basement, will you make a Kelly LaBroc for me? Just like in wierd science.

i only use my powers for evil.

Nader is the only one that has gotten it right.

The genius of the Republican party is that they have replaced traditional conservative ideology with policies of greed and few of their members noticed.

Well hell, I can think of some evil things to do.

if getting it right is handing the government over to his greatest idealogical opponents, than yes, he did a slam dunk bang up job. Of course, the dems could have had an agenda more to the liking of Nader and his supporters, thus eliminating the need for a spoiler candidacy. Only problem with that would be the dems would have lost that election handily, instead of kinda-winning/kinda-loosing/whatever. Nader’s run, at best, was all ideology and zero strategy. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that was the intent. I believe the intent was to spoil the election to “wake up” the dems into understanding that its wingnuts were not to be ignored. well, that didn’t work out too well, did it? The only thing Nader succeded in doing was making the country an even more extreme example of everything that bothered him about it. He is our nation's greatest failure.

Strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy strategy etc..........

I agree that ideology and practicality are two different animals. Had I been in a red state during the last presidential election, I would have voted for Kerry and not Nader.

Personally, I reject the framework of our electoral process on the basis that it's entirely corrupt. Unless the democrats grow a pair and make radical changes in their platform (which they won't), they will continue to slowly bleed to death. Thus, I don't give a rip about democratic strategy. Transient democratic successes only delay the inevitable.

Have you ever considered why Nader is considered a wingnut? Or who has given him this label?

he represents the uncompromising wing of a political idealogy, thus "a wingnut."

"I reject the framwork of our electoral process on the basis that it's entriely corrupt"... "I don't give a rip about democratic strategy." EXACTLY.

Funny thing about Florida, once the Nadar campaign realized they may spoil the election, they told everyone to not vote for them... but they did anyway. Oooops. Now that is some bad strategy.

My point is why worry about democratic strategy when the entire democratic process has been, most likely, irreparably perverted. It's like watering the garden when your house is on fire.

Who always wins in a modern election? Let me assure you that it is not us.

perhaps, but the Nader campaign answered the problem of the house being on fire, not by watering the garden, but by pouring gasoline on the house.

... and then screaming "See? I told you so."

I don't think Nader has any illusions about winning the presidency. I think his message is his strategy.

I agree that he may currently be our nation's greatest political failure. However, when they look back at this period in 50 years, I believe that he may be the only politician who is revered. And I'm probably being generous when I say 50.

you're right. he had no illusions about winning the presidency. and yes, his message was his goal. and spoiling the election and handing the government over to his greatest political opponents did not bother him, it further carried his message. the more corrupt the machine is, the more validated his message becomes. a despicable type of zealot, in my opinion. the type that hopes to bring about a revolution, of sorts. funny things, revolutions. they tend to bring about hardships/starvation/exploitation and death first to those who they are supposedly fought for. sufferings the revolutionaries never seem to care about. One might suspect the Revolution is fought for ego first, and the good of the proletariat second... if for the proletariat at all. I wonder how many millions (more than a billion?) would die/be persecuted/raped/starved/etc. if the WTO protesters and World Bank hatas had their way.

Brother, you can count me out. If history looks back at him reverently, I’m not entirely convinced I would want anything to do with humanity.

but, of course, we’re debating over six year old issues here. these issues are no longer part of the dialogue. now we’re busy fighting to keep the first amendment in tact... to keep creationism out of the classroom. nations like iran, bolivia, germany, venezuela, canada even... are following our lead and embracing reactionary ideologies determined to go their own way and tell the international community to go fuck itself. we’re using armies to “convert” other people into embracing our “values,” and we’re trying to turn a buck in the process. and it all isn’t going very well. but i guess it all would have gone down in exactly the same way anyway, seeing how both parties are practically the same and all.

You are far more optimistic than I. I'm not convinced that we will not see much of the suffering that you mention with or without civil upheaval. We are seeing events that are unprecedented in world history. The issues (distractions) of the day, like partisan politics and religion, are mostly irrelevant. Issues, which rarely impinge on the social conscience of Joe Lunchbucket, are what I think will prove to be significant down the line.

As you pointed out, there is not a huge difference between the parties. We have the Republicans and Republican Lites. Both are bought and sold at the whim of corporate campaign contributors. The will of the people has been circumvented. Partially through self-administered stupidity and partially because our elections are merely choices between corporate employees. In my mind, this is no choice.

yeah, i was being sarcastic and mocking Naderite rhetoric.

Hey, maybe next time you two can get a room. ;)

I enjoyed the comments.

I would never cheat on you during valentines day week. when you come over tomorrow night, bring me a ham sandwich and don't be late, bitch

And don't forget to bring a little something for his mom.